 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? #11309453 07/14/sixteen | OP  New Member Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: thirteen | I am planning an elk hunt for 2017. I program to comport my 308 win rifle. I have a decent shootinget load that uses 165 gr hornady sst bullets. I know it isn't a bonded bullet, simply is information technology sufficient? It's non a large bargain to find and buy something else, but I'd effigy I'd ask seeing how I take a lot of them on hand. If the sst isn't good enough, what else tin can you recommend? |
| Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11309483 07/14/16 | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,959 Godogs57 Campfire Tracker | | Bivouac Tracker Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,959 | Bull or moo-cow? The SST is not known as a "tough" bullet, generally. Information technology is non seen in the same company as, say, Partitions, TSX's, A Frames, and the similar. I'one thousand sure information technology's fine with well placed shots on cows, but I'd want something a good flake more solidly synthetic if going after large ol bulls. Keep in listen that Murphy'south law tin, and does, kick in. Mr Murphy loves elk hunting too....prepare for less than optimal shots, etc. All-time of luck to you on your hunt. Last edited by Godogs57; 07/fourteen/16.
You only live once, but...if you practise it right, once is enough. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11309642 07/14/16 | Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 29,132 Brad Bivouac Oracle | | Campfire Oracle Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 29,132 | The 308 Win is pretty gentle on bullets, and your 165 SST will work just fine. Having said that, I similar Nosler'southward 165 or 168 Ballisitic Tip amend (I think they're harder bullets than the SST), or better yet a 165 Accubond or Partition.
"Perfection is Achieved Not When In that location Is Nothing More to Add, But When At that place Is Nada Left to Take Abroad" Antoine de Saint-Exupery | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11309727 07/14/16 | Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 13 AMG08 OP New Member | | OP New Fellow member Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 13 | Bull.... hopefully. I tried the partitions awhile back, and couldn't get them to shoot very well out of my rifle using RL15. I have done some work to the rifle since, so I may endeavour them again. I still take a few laying around I think. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11309812 07/14/16 | Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: four,087 colorado bob Bivouac Guide | | Campfire Guide Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,087 | I use 180 grain Hornady interlock out of my 30/06 on a agglomeration of elk. I'g sure 165 grain interlock out of you 308 will kill them simply also. |
| Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11309836 07/fifteen/16 | Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 310 FoxTrotter Campfire Regular | | Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 310 | It would exist one of my terminal choices. I shot the 139 grain SST's out of my .280 for years on blacktails and some hogs. Very authentic just explosive on entry with angle shots. I've switched to Barnes in that rifle for deer and am shooting up my remaining 140 and 160 grain TB Bear Claws for elk.
I've shot elk with Accubonds and Partitions but have not been happy so at present I employ the TBBC and 165 gr Barnes out of my 300 WSM and 300 WM.
The bug with elk is that you don't always get that perfect broadside shot,peculiarly if they are in timber. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11309847 07/15/16 | Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 12,423 MagMarc Campfire 'Bwana | | Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 12,423 | After shooting a couple of average whitetails last year with the 165SST loaded at 2650 in an 06 I'll never use them once more for anything bigger than a varmint. There are better choices out there. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11310104 07/15/16 | Joined: October 2000 Posts: 29,132 Brad Bivouac Oracle | | Bivouac Oracle Joined: October 2000 Posts: 29,132 | Bull.... hopefully. I tried the partitions awhile back, and couldn't get them to shoot very well out of my burglarize using RL15. I have done some work to the rifle since, so I may try them again. I still accept a few laying around I think. Partitions can be finicky. I've had better luck with the 165 Accubond in my 308's. I've taken bulls with the 165 Accubond, Ballistic Tip, Partition, TTSX, Speer Hotcore. They all work. Accubonds and Partitions are my favorite.
"Perfection is Achieved Non When There Is Cipher More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Abroad" Antoine de Saint-Exupery | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11310116 07/15/16 | Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 46,827 RickyD Campfire Oracle | | Bivouac Oracle Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 46,827 | Balderdash.... hopefully. I tried the partitions awhile back, and couldn't get them to shoot very well out of my rifle using RL15. Endeavour Varget.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth? Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no unlike than bathing in the sewage of Hell. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11310146 07/15/sixteen | Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 33,951 Dirtfarmer Campfire Oracle | | Campfire Oracle Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 33,951 | SST's would be way downward on my listing, mayhap off the paper...  If I couldn't get NPT's to group, I'd effort NAB'due south. If non satisfied, so mono's, E-Tip, TTSX, GMX. Barnes accuracy load with 150 gr. TTSX is 46.3 Varget at 2,910 fps. Scenarshooter likes the 155gr. Scenar in .308. He has photo bear witness, a bunch of dead critters...  DF |
| Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: Brad] #11310151 07/xv/16 | Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 33,951 Dirtfarmer Campfire Oracle | | Campfire Oracle Joined: November 2010 Posts: 33,951 | Bull.... hopefully. I tried the partitions awhile back, and couldn't go them to shoot very well out of my burglarize using RL15. I have done some work to the rifle since, then I may try them once more. I even so accept a few laying around I retrieve. Partitions can be choosy. Some claim a slightly faster powder at max fps volition aid NPT accuracy. Some guns similar'em, some don't. DF | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11310188 07/15/sixteen | Joined: May 2004 Posts: 10,563 CrowRifle Campfire 'Bwana | | Bivouac 'Bwana Joined: May 2004 Posts: x,563 | Afterwards my experiences using SST'due south on deer, no manner I would utilise them on elk. Don't try to salve a few bucks on bullets and let it ruin a hunt. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11310478 07/15/16 | Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 943 JRS3 Bivouac Regular | | Bivouac Regular Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 943 | I was sitting next to a friend when he shot a very dainty Colorado balderdash at about xx anxiety with a .308 shooting 150 grain SSTs. He hit the bull in the heart, it ran out 20 yards, and fell over. The bullet exploded, which is probably expected. Apparently, it worked but would not be my choice. This was an farthermost example, simply all the same a real experience. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11310581 07/15/sixteen | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 726 Billy_Goat Bivouac Regular | | Bivouac Regular Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 726 | Nosler Accubond 165's for my .308, and I really like it so far. accuracy is fantabulous in my savage. no game tests then far. should fly pretty comparable to the SST, and from all reports, is a tougher bullet. YMMV.
Offset teach a child to love God, 2d teach him to love family unit, 3rd teach him to fish and hunt and by the time he is in his teens no dope dealer nether the sun can teach him anything. Cotton wool Cordell | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11310716 07/15/16 | Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 636 tmax264 Campfire Regular | | Campfire Regular Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 636 | I'd go with a Interlock instead of the SST. I like the Interlocks at 308 speeds and partitions or other premiums at 30 cal mag speeds. I'd consider a SST in a 300BLKOUT or other slower circular IMHO Final edited by tmax264; 07/15/sixteen.
An armed member in a country is a citizen, an unarmed member is a bailiwick. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11310749 07/fifteen/sixteen | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,615 Coyote_Hunter Campfire 'Bwana | | Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,615 | While I utilise SST's for cheaper exercise rounds, I match the loads to mirror AccuBonds and use the AB'due south for hunting. The terminal range session or ii I'll put some AB's downrange to verify the hunting loads.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'm non a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77'southward and #1'southward. A skilful .30-06 is a 99% solution. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11310799 07/fifteen/16 | Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 13 AMG08 OP New Fellow member | | OP New Member Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 13 | Thanks guys. I'll give the accubonds a shot here shortly. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11311239 07/xv/xvi | Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9,616 beretzs Campfire Outfitter | | Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9,616 | Had nifty results with a 308 and 165 ABs along with RL15. Was able to go correct at 2800 with them and accurateness was very good. I'd exist merely fine with that same exact gear up for hunting elk if I weren't expecting to be shooting at the outer edges of the bullet opening upwardly well. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11311278 07/15/16 | Joined: Mar 2015 Posts: 2,868 River_Ridge Bivouac Guide | | Campfire Guide Joined: Mar 2015 Posts: 2,868 | I have no experience with elk but I used to use 165 SST'south out of a xxx-06 on whitetails. They were very explosive. I switched to 165 Interlocks and accept been very happy with both the accuracy and performance on deer.
Wag more, bark less. The freedoms nosotros surrender today will be the freedoms our grandchildren will never know existed. The men who wrote the Second Subpoena didn't but finish a hunting trip, they just finished liberating a nation. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11311425 07/16/16 | Joined: February 2002 Posts: 32,044 bea175 Campfire Oracle | | Campfire Oracle Joined: February 2002 Posts: 32,044 | I would have no problem using the SST but would use the 180 gr version over the 165 gr
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to practise that for Two Bucks. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11311653 07/16/16 | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,632 DonFischer Campfire Ranger | | Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: i,632 | I have used Hornady Spire point's and and so interlock'south a whole lot of yr in a 308 165gr. Never in one case a failure or bad proformance of any kind. I utilise the Hornady interlock 117gr bullet in my 25-06, never a failure or bad proformance. The premium bullet so many employ piece of work well merely for me in mot case'southward not needed. i found the two best weight bullet's in my 308 to exist the 165 gr and the 180 gr, all-time accuracy with them. I accept tried partition's merely never had much luck getting them to shoot well simply generally well enough for hunting. The only experience I have with bonded bullet's is with the old Speer hot core bullet'southward. I'd be shooting them today but the Hornady bullet' out hot them by a scrap. In regard to calling a Hot Core a bonded bullet, I have recovered several shot into wet news print to cease them. I never aw a Hot Core shoot loose from the jacket. It was my bullet of choice in an old 7mm Rem Mag. I don't hear a lot about them anymore and don't see them a lot. Vernon sold out and his business took a step backward. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11318544 07/19/sixteen | Joined: January 2007 Posts: 1,086 gbp Bivouac Regular | | Bivouac Regular Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: i,086 | never had an issue with a 7-08 sst or amax on elk
cant see where you would have an issue | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11318618 07/19/16 | Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,736 prm Campfire Outfitter | | Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,736 | My sister has killed elk, one being a real nice 6x6, with an -06 shooting SSTs. They worked well. I don't know if they were 165s or 180s though. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11318913 07/xix/sixteen | Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,226 specneeds Campfire Regular | | Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: ane,226 | Broadside or neck shots inside 200 yards the SST will probably be fine. Sharp angles, longer rages, or shooting through a shoulder they are a very poor choice and could ruin your hunt. If you don't heed passing upwards shots because you loaded an inferior bullet stick with thursday SST. My favorite is the TTSX simply Accubond and other stout bullets are a better choice. I've killed them with NBT but too had i blow up on the ribs and run 600 yards earlier dying - luckily it was in the snowfall. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11319158 07/19/sixteen | Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 5,783 Angus1895 Campfire Tracker | | Campfire Tracker Joined: February 2013 Posts: 5,783 | I have had two "failures" using an sst 165. Ane on elk 1 on deer. I am not sure if I had hit the elk at xc yards.(my wife who was standing next to me at fourth dimension of the shot said I absolutely hitting it). I constitute blood on the whitetail shot....just no deer. How e'er I have had proficient repeatable luck with the ftx bullet but at ranges over 150 yards. I would presume the ftx and sst are very similar. All the same I no longer buy sst bullets. Last edited by Angus1895; 07/nineteen/16.
"Shoot low sheriff, I think he's riding a shetland!" B. Wills | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: Dirtfarmer] #11319934 07/twenty/sixteen | Joined: May 2014 Posts: 6,866 Bugger Campfire Tracker | | Bivouac Tracker Joined: May 2014 Posts: 6,866 | SST'due south would exist mode down on my list, maybe off the paper... If I couldn't get NPT's to group, I'd try NAB'south. If non satisfied, and so mono's, E-Tip, TTSX, GMX. Barnes accuracy load with 150 gr. TTSX is 46.3 Varget at ii,910 fps. Scenarshooter likes the 155gr. Scenar in .308. He has photo evidence, a agglomeration of dead critters... DF This^^^^^
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I used to run with the hare. At present I'k envious of the tortoise. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11321491 07/21/16 | Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 718 SakoAV Bivouac Regular | | Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 718 | AMG08, I know nothing of SST bullets. However, were you to use a 165 grain Segmentation, brand certain y'all have your quartering stuff with yous. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11321603 07/21/16 | Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 726 1lessdog Campfire Regular | | Bivouac Regular Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 726 | Hornady interlock 165 gr is a Elk'south worse nightmare. They hold upward very good. And they shoot great. All I shoot are the Interlocks from 25-06 to 300 Wby and have never looked dorsum.
Relive your memories,take a child hunting and angling | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11321967 07/21/sixteen | Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: ii,374 sbhooper Campfire Ranger | | Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 2,374 | IMO, the SST is the worst mistake Hornady ever made. They may shoot OK, merely they are flimsy crap. An elk deserves better. I have never had bug with a standard Interlock, Nosler Partition, or Accubond. Information technology is your hunt, merely an elk deserves better than an explosive slice of crap bullet. If you must utilise them, go with the 180-grain, equally the other may very well fail. I think that they are really worse than an A-max target bullet on game.
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Liberals with guns are nothing but hypocrites. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11325597 07/22/xvi | Joined: April 2003 Posts: 98 harrierwood Member | | Member Joined: April 2003 Posts: 98 | Take some time and money and find a premium bullet that works for you. This year I plan to use a .308 with 165 nosler acubonds. I shot a moo-cow elk two years ago with a .338 RCM 200g SST Hornaday load at 2950 fps cage. The range was 380 yards, co-ordinate to the ballistic tables at impact information technology was 2400fps. The bullet ended up shedding about one-half its weight with what ended up being a near side shoulder shot. Fortunately in that location was enough residual weight to continue through the vitals. The remaining bullet base was 95 grains. The sst bullets are my favorite deer bullet and I use them in a 7 mauser, .280, .300 sav, and .308 with peachy results, but something stronger is needed for elk. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11326199 07/23/16 | Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: iii,829 taz4570 Campfire Guide | | Campfire Guide Joined: January 2006 Posts: 3,829 | I've killed a few elk with the 308 Win in a Brutal 99 and a couple Kimber Montana. The 99 loves 165 grain Speer Grand Slams. The Montanas like the Hornady 150 grain GMX. Both work well for elk. The Montanas too like the 130 grain TTSX. Non sure I'd attempt them on elk though.
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Henry Ford If it's tourist season, why tin't nosotros shoot them? | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11327195 07/23/16 | Joined: February 2004 Posts: 12,615 Coyote_Hunter Campfire 'Bwana | | Campfire 'Bwana Joined: February 2004 Posts: 12,615 | Bought some 165g SST's yesterday. They will be used to work upward practice loads for son-in-law's 30-06. If they work out I'll try to match the load using AccuBond or TTSX. While I concord wholeheartedly with DonFischer that premiums are not needed in "most cases". It is the other cases I'grand concerned about. Not all "premium" bullets provide the consistent performance I want and the old Barnes X bullets were a prime example of aforementioned. Barnes TTSX have been uniformly excellent performers for my group, as have Nosler AccuBond and Partition, Speer G Slam and Swift A-Frame. If using factory ammo I would attempt to find ii loads that shoot about the same, equally verified at the range, i a cheap practice load and one using a proven premium for the bodily hunt. Equally a handloader, I find shooting premiums is no more than expensive than standard factory ammo and often less. Shooting SST's and other cup-and-cadre bullets for do farther cuts the costs. Once a premium load is developed the incremental cost of using them on a hunt is vanishingly small-scale when compared to the other costs of the hunt. I've found even evolution costs tin be cut significantly by shooting a string of loads with .5g increments and finding 3-4 consecutive shots that group well. Choice a load in the middle of such a string and retest and quite oftentimes you are washed. Shooting premiums doesn't accept to empty your bank business relationship. "Plan for the worst and work for the all-time" is a motto that, if followed, volition relieve you a lot of grief in all facets of your life.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Eye Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #ane's. A good .30-06 is a 99% solution. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11335849 07/27/16 | Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 25,680 efw  Bivouac Oracle | | Campfire Oracle Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 25,680 | I'll admit right up front that I've never shot an elk BUT I accept loaded the 165 SST in my 06 and killed a couple animals with it and I exercise load it for a friend's 308 & seen him shoot a couple animals with it. The hogs I shot west/ early models pushed to 2950-ish from my 06 went down just the bullet was extraordinarily frangible like old ballistic tips. Personally I wouldn't use those on elk myself only I'thou sure they'd work if y'all were cautious about the shot placement. The newer ones my friend has put through whitetails at speeds a couple hundred fps slower seem harder as they've held together thru double shoulder shots. Again I haven't e'er shot an elk (it'due south on my to-practice list) simply when I do it'll sooner be with a 165 Interlock (not-tipped version) than SST. Skilful luck w/ yer hunt!!
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-Andrew Peterson | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11342429 07/31/16 | Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: iv,695 michiganroadkill Campfire Guide | | Campfire Guide Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,695 | I take seen multiple elk die from 308s stoked with 165s and 180s. All one shot kills.
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Albert Einstein At Khe Sanh a sign read "For those who fight for it, life has a flavour the protected never knew". | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11343398 07/31/xvi | Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: ix,177 Esox357 Campfire Outfitter | | Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,177 | Non a fan of SST's, Use the BTSP! | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11343656 07/31/16 | Joined: February 2004 Posts: 12,615 Coyote_Hunter Bivouac 'Bwana | | Bivouac 'Bwana Joined: February 2004 Posts: 12,615 | Can't look to become my 165g SSTs to the range for some water jug testing. If they don't come up apart in the offset jug or two I'll exist more than than a picayune surprised.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Centre Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'yard not a Ruger bigot - only an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77'southward and #i'southward. A good .30-06 is a 99% solution. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: Coyote_Hunter] #11343708 07/31/16 | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 5,512 Folically_Challenged Campfire Tracker | | Campfire Tracker Joined: May 2007 Posts: v,512 | Can't wait to get my 165g SSTs to the range for some h2o jug testing. I'll be interested to see what you discover. The 165 SST'south were far and away the most accurate bullets in my previous '06, simply I never found anything simply fragments in the backstop. Mayhap they're tougher than they were 10 years agone. Maybe 100 fps less from a .308 will stress them less. I'll be looking forward to your pics. FC Last edited by Folically_Challenged; 07/31/sixteen.
Voters in 2016 bristled at redistribution, open up borders, bigger government, and higher taxes, but progressives are now promising those voters even more of what they didn't want. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: Coyote_Hunter] #11444959 09/eighteen/16 | Joined: November 2005 Posts: ane,887 308ld Campfire Ranger | | Campfire Ranger Joined: November 2005 Posts: 1,887 | Tin can't wait to go my 165g SSTs to the range for some h2o jug testing. If they don't come apart in the first jug or ii I'll be more than a little surprised. update? | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: beretzs] #11444980 09/18/xvi | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,121 byd Bivouac Regular | | Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: ane,121 | beretzs what kind of 308 do yous have | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: 308ld] #11447698 09/19/16 | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,615 Coyote_Hunter Campfire 'Bwana | | Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,615 | Can't look to become my 165g SSTs to the range for some water jug testing. If they don't come autonomously in the first jug or two I'll be more than than a little surprised. update? Oasis't had a gamble to do anything with them. Full time chore, ii-1/2 60 minutes daily round trip commute, weekends busy finishing deck teardown/landscaping/rebuild project I started last year after my hip replacement. Next project is to replace cedar siding where the $#%&* flickers have poked 2" holes in it. Range fourth dimension has been pretty limited. Don't know if I'll become to water jug shooting this year, although I probably have l or more in the garage. Might get a take chances to test .243/95g SST and .308/165g SST in jugs this weekend. I figure two jugs per load with a fresh newspaper or cardboard backdrop will tell me what I desire to know. Pretty much expect the backdrops to take a lot of holes in them but maybe I'll be surprised.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Middle Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's. A good .30-06 is a 99% solution. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11456471 09/23/16 | Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 911 DLALLDER Bivouac Regular | | Campfire Regular Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 911 | My wife & I are going to be in Montana tardily Oct for an elk hunt. I contacted Nosler & Hornady early this yr about what bullet they recommended. They did not recommend the balistic nor the sst for elk. The accubond or the Interlock or the Interbond if y'all find them. The wife will be shooting a 7x57 AI with 150 TTSX & 51 gr of RL-xix. Her fill-in & mine also will be a 30-06 with 150 Accubonds & 54 gr of RL-17. My go to is a 30-06 with 165 Accubonds & 61 gr of RL-22. Come ON October 29th!!!!! | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11456494 09/23/xvi | Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,402 atse Campfire Regular | | Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: one,402 | Expect at 155 scenars,and varget. A lethal and accurate combo. I killed a big 6 signal with it last year.He was laying on his side inside 5 seconds of the shot.(200yds.) We accept taken numerous big bucks with information technology every bit well including a 200 inch mule deer concluding fall. The bullets open upwards nicely,and leave a proficient get out on deer. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11456779 09/23/xvi | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,302 Talus_in_Arizona Campfire Guide | | Campfire Guide Joined: October 2006 Posts: 3,302 | It would kill an elk. But with that much time, it's worthwhile to find a better bullet that shoots well. I'm sure there is i, factory or handload. That's the beauty of the .308
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| | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: Folically_Challenged] #11458666 09/24/16 | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,615 Coyote_Hunter Campfire 'Bwana | | Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,615 | Can't look to get my 165g SSTs to the range for some water jug testing. I'll be interested to encounter what yous find. The 165 SST's were far and away the most authentic bullets in my previous '06, merely I never establish anything just fragments in the backstop. Maybe they're tougher than they were ten years ago. Maybe 100 fps less from a .308 will stress them less. I'll be looking frontward to your pics. FC "I never plant anything merely fragments in the backstop. Peradventure they're tougher than they were 10 years ago" Maybe. Shot a 165g from a .30-06 through a h2o jug today with a blank canvass of paper behind information technology. LOTS of holes from pb fragments. Found a piece of jacket stuck to the inside of the blown-apart jug. We tested half-dozen loads at 20 yards. All loads were chrono'd except the Core-Lokt: .243 Win, 95g Hornady SST, 2925fps (avg.)
.257 Roberts, 100g Barnes TTSX, 3233fps (avg.)
.30-06, 150g Winchester Ballistic Silvertip, 3005fps (avg.)
.30-06, 165g Hornady SST, 2863fps (bodily)
.300 WM, 180g Winchester Power-Point, 2825fps (avg.)
.300 WM, 180g Remington Cadre-Lokt, 2700fps (mill spec) The just 'clean' target was with the 100g TTSX. You could clearly see where the TTSX had expanded and left a '3-leafed clover' pigsty, with a 2d hole where the fourth petal hitting the target. All of the atomic number 82 cadre bullets had multiple hles in the paper target - lots of them. That said, the worst IMHO was the 165g SST target: ![[Linked Image]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/blogger_img_proxy/AEn0k_s37TZCCfFJmPJdQzFIR2Clra7Ks_NkXWS0KppxJsIdLZGXUOWrUdZEzFDqsNOStpBWsIUNmAQbcojaAuJSN4U5hIHBLSU-DnonTtltZefPrfrAYAjzzspb9-kgJA=s0-d) When I become time I'll post all the target photos in a separate thread. .
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'1000 not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #i's. A good .30-06 is a 99% solution. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: Coyote_Hunter] #11458958 09/24/xvi | Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: two,176 LostHighway Campfire Ranger | | Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,176 | My hunting experience with Barnes is similar. I accept recovered simply two bullets from elk. Both of those were 100% intact and mushroomed. Last edited past LostHighway; 09/24/sixteen. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11461316 09/25/16 | Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,760 sgt217 Campfire Tracker | | Campfire Tracker Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: v,760 | SST'south suck when shooting at anything other than paper...Or coyotes...
| | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11461426 09/26/16 | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,615 Coyote_Hunter Campfire 'Bwana | | Bivouac 'Bwana Joined: February 2004 Posts: 12,615 | My testing showed what I already knew - every cup-and-core bullet tested sprayed atomic number 82 and/or jacket material. The 'non-retained' weight has to go somewhere. For large game I oasis't used a standard cup-and-core bullet in a bolt gun since the early 1980'due south. Speer One thousand slams got the call for the 20 years following my first animal, followed by Due north Fork SS and FP, Nosler AccuBond and Barnes MRX and TTSX. The terminal few years I've been using Barnes TTSX (and the older MRX) more than and more. They accept been corking performers both in accuracy and on game and I similar the idea of 'lead-free' meat. This yr a future son-in-constabulary and I volition be using SST bullets for antelope simply because I worked upwards those loads kickoff for target practice and haven't had time to work up AccuBond or TTSX loads for the rifles we will be using. Hoping the SSTs don't destroy as much meat as the A-MAX a son-in-police used a few years back.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - but an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #i'south. A good .xxx-06 is a 99% solution. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11461866 09/26/16 | Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,031 RJY66 Campfire Guide | | Campfire Guide Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,031 | Deer hunter checking in..... Sitting on my desk-bound right at present is a brand new box of Nosler Ballistic Tips, 165 grain 30 caliber. On i end of the box information technology says "Game Recommendations: Deer, Antelope" and for folks who tin can't read there is a pic of a mule deer. So from that we tin surmise that they are designed for deer and like LIGHT big game. The SST is the functionally equivalent competitor. Both are as skillful as information technology gets for deer hunting based on my experiences and that of friends. They may have sucked back in the day simply as far equally I am concerned they sure don't suck at present. I await they would take out an elk, especially with a lung shot. But, that is not what they are DESIGNED for, although I recollect they are at least as good every bit the traditional core-lokts, ability points, etc which people have used on everything for decades. I would utilize a bullet designed for "controlled expansion", probably a partition if I ever get to go elk hunting, although if you like the SST, you could endeavor the Hornady gilding metal bullet or Interbond that would probably shoot to the same point....bank check on range to be sure. Why endeavour to fit a square peg in a circular hole, especially when you are hunting something you don't get to all the time?
"Men must be governed by God or they volition be ruled by tyrants". --- William Penn | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11462019 09/26/16 | Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,736 prm Campfire Outfitter | | Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,736 | Thanks for sharing the target pic. When I tested 200gn .338 SSTs against a tough target of some dry magazines they turned to grit and small fragments of copper. With the magazines moisture, they did ok. I estimate I'd employ them on deer, but no run a risk on elk. Also many excellent other bullets that I would have complete conviction in, to include first-class C&Cs like the HotCor or Ballistic Tip. Concluding edited by prm; 09/26/sixteen. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: RJY66] #11462020 09/26/16 | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,615 Coyote_Hunter Campfire 'Bwana | | Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,615 | ... Why try to fit a square peg in a circular hole, especially when you are hunting something you don't become to all the fourth dimension? While I would promise the BT has a thicker jacket than the SST, I do not know this to exist the case. (Note to self: Check on this tonight.) In whatever instance, I've had bullets drop deer instantly when passing from ham to sternum (7mm North Fork SS) and passing forepart to back through the body with leave (.xxx caliber Barnes MRX and TTSX). These same bullets have been as effective on broadside shots. The merely downside I see to these bullets is their extra cost when compared to C&C bullets. I don't see it as a 'foursquare peg, circular hole' state of affairs. I encounter it as wanting to employ a bullet that volition aggrandize in a controlled, limited and reliable fashion, providing high weight retention and deep straight line penetration. For me, deer hunting is done in conjunction with elk hunting and the deer are more than targets of opportunity to be ignored if taking ane might interfere with getting an elk. As a result the same bullets go used for both. I take withal to find a bullet that works well for elk that fails for deer.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'm non a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77'south and #1's. A proficient .30-06 is a 99% solution. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: Coyote_Hunter] #11462109 09/26/16 | Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: four,031 RJY66 Bivouac Guide | | Bivouac Guide Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,031 | ... Why effort to fit a square peg in a circular hole, especially when yous are hunting something you don't get to all the fourth dimension? While I would hope the BT has a thicker jacket than the SST, I do not know this to be the instance. (Notation to self: Check on this tonight.) The BT'southward take a heavier base of operations than the SSTs starting virtually halfway back. I accept non noticed much deviation in operation between the two on deer equally both accept blown through every deer or squealer I have shot. Absolutely dandy bullets for that awarding....Elk peradventure not and so much which was the betoken of the analogy. Last edited past RJY66; 09/26/16.
"Men must be governed by God or they will be ruled past tyrants". --- William Penn | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11462219 09/26/16 | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 bea175 Campfire Oracle | | Campfire Oracle Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 | Elk aren't that hard to kill and the 180 gr SST would work but fine as long every bit you shoot them where they live and if you don't so another make of bullet won't make a bit of difference. Premier bullets don't brand upwards for poor shooting
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the terminal fourth dimension I'm going to practise that for Two Bucks. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: bea175] #11463815 09/26/16 | Joined: February 2004 Posts: 12,615 Coyote_Hunter Campfire 'Bwana | | Bivouac 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,615 | Elk aren't that hard to kill and the 180 gr SST would work just fine equally long as yous shoot them where they live and if y'all don't then some other brand of bullet won't make a chip of difference. Premier bullets don't brand upward for poor shooting That premium bullets don't make up for poor shooting is something I am painfully enlightened of due to personal experience. (Lost my beginning large game creature, a cow elk, in 2014 after misjudging the wind.) That doesn't mean that premium bullets are without benefit. The first big game animate being I ever shot was a bull elk at about 110 yards using a 7mm RM and a 162g Hornady BTSP. The bullet hit a rib dead on eye, missed or barely nicked the far ribs and came to residuum under the hide on the off side. Retained weight was under 48%. Although the spike bull went downward, I was not impressed with the bullet operation as I didn't think a single rib was much of a challenge to its integrity. The side by side year I switched to 160g Speer 1000 Slams and used them exclusively without complaint for 20+ years. The first bullet I recovered was from the end of that period, from a 5x5 balderdash elk. The bullet had passed through and destroyed both shoulder joints before coming to rest on the far side, nonetheless in bone just exposed. Retained weight was over 70%. My philosophy is to shoot until the animal is down and stays that way. While ane shot will unremarkably exercise information technology, I have had elk become support. After doing and so I'five never had one come towards me. When that happens and all I have is a bad angle, I want a bullet in my rifle that volition aggrandize reliably simply in a controlled and limited fashion and bulldoze the length of the animate being to accomplish the vitals. Grand Slams have proven to be capable of doing that as have Northward Fork SS, Bays Bonded and Barnes MRX and TTSX. Every bit of import to me is that none of these bullets (GS, TB, MRX or TTSX) have in any way failed on smaller game or on broadsides. The last few years I and my grouping have used a lot of AccuBonds, also. While nosotros haven't shot whatever animals lengthwise, the broadsides nosotros've taken have all resulted in exits. Some other advantage of the premiums (or at least the skilful ones - at that place are some 'premiums' I refuse to use based on their design and manufacturers functioning claims) is they can provide more consequent performance over a wider range of distances. That is also of import to me considering, while I exercise out to 600 yards, I've had 25-foot shot opportunities where I expected a minimum of 400 yards. I don't desire a bullet that will accident itself autonomously at high touch on velocities. That said, I will exist using a 95g SST in my .243 Win for antelope this twelvemonth. Every bit I mentioned in a previous postal service, I promise it doesn't perform like the 165g AMAX my son-in-law used on an antelope a few years back.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'm non a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #one's. A skillful .30-06 is a 99% solution. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: Coyote_Hunter] #11463824 09/26/16 | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,615 Coyote_Hunter Campfire 'Bwana | | Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,615 | ...
This year a future son-in-police and I will be using SST bullets for antelope merely because I worked up those loads starting time for target practice and oasis't had fourth dimension to work up AccuBond or TTSX loads for the rifles we will be using. Hoping the SSTs don't destroy every bit much meat as the A-MAX a son-in-police used a few years back. Correction (too tardily to edit the original post). My future son-in-law volition be using a .30-06 and 150g Ballistic Tip bullets for antelope this year, not an SST. Similar the SST I'll be using in my .243, this volition exist the kickoff yr anyone in my grouping has used a BT. Last edited by Coyote_Hunter; 09/26/16.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Middle Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'g not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1'southward. A skilful .thirty-06 is a 99% solution. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11463881 09/26/16 | Joined: February 2002 Posts: 32,044 bea175 Campfire Oracle | | Campfire Oracle Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 | Nosler 150 gr BT on antelope you couldn't exercise any meliorate
A Doe walks out of the wood today and says, that is the last time I'chiliad going to do that for Two Bucks. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11469734 09/29/16 | Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 189 whit Member | | Member Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 189 | I would go with the 165 interbond or the GMX. They both should load similarly to the SST. Might need to drop downward a petty with a GMX. I used a 185 gr GMX in my 338 win mag on elk. Couldn't observe it to see the mushroom. | | Re: 308 win with 165 sst suitable for elk? [Re: AMG08] #11469858 09/29/16 | Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 45,545 gunner500 Campfire Oracle | | Bivouac Oracle Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 45,545 | I am planning an elk hunt for 2017. I plan to carry my 308 win rifle. I have a decent shootinget load that uses 165 gr hornady sst bullets. I know it isn't a bonded bullet, but is it sufficient? It's not a big deal to find and buy something else, but I'd figure I'd ask seeing how I have a lot of them on hand. If the sst isn't good enough, what else tin can you recommend? I've only killed 6 or vii elk, I'd switch to a 165 sectionalisation or accubond in a heartbeat provided accuracy is there, RL-xv is a good 308 powder. |
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